Mary Sue Sense in Tingling
May. 30th, 2008 01:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Okay, so this has been nagging at me since I first heard about the spoilers for ep 4.6 of Doctor Who.
I've seen pictures of Jenny, have read a synopsis of "The Doctor's Daughter" and I swear to God she just screams Mary Sue very, very loudly and obnoxiously at me. Given how Rusty has a blonde, golden, perfect girl already, I'm more inclined to think that Jenny is of the same variety.
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I would like to know what to expect. Is she Miss Mary Sue?
Also: any direct relation to Susan?
I've seen pictures of Jenny, have read a synopsis of "The Doctor's Daughter" and I swear to God she just screams Mary Sue very, very loudly and obnoxiously at me. Given how Rusty has a blonde, golden, perfect girl already, I'm more inclined to think that Jenny is of the same variety.
I haven't seen this episode yet, but I would like to know what to expect. Is she Miss Mary Sue?
Also: any direct relation to Susan?
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Date: 2008-05-30 08:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-30 08:58 pm (UTC)Anyway, like I said, I don't really know what the Mary Sue thing means and I'm far less critical of the series than a lot of the other fans, just to give you a point of reference...
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Date: 2008-05-30 09:18 pm (UTC)In fan fiction, Mary Sues usually fall in love with main characters and make said characters act OOC.
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Date: 2008-05-31 12:17 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-30 09:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-30 09:17 pm (UTC)Off topic from Doctor Who, have you heard the story of Brandon Pinto/Brandon Hillock, the former Captain Jack Sparrow at Disneyland? There's an article about him in the new issue of Los Angeles Magazine. You can read about him here.
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Date: 2008-05-30 09:14 pm (UTC)I think Rose is much worse than her and she at least fits in the episode somehow.
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Date: 2008-05-30 09:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-30 09:30 pm (UTC)Donna was herself. The Doctor was not himself since forever, was he? He seems all over the place. I am not sure what is in or out of character for him. He was pretty much the same than the rest of this season, though. I think.
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Date: 2008-05-30 09:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-30 09:41 pm (UTC)Agreed. I liked her overall.
I disagree about Rose but I shan't delve into that.
Now if we want to talk about the Doctor's Mary Sue, why has NOBODY mentioned the Mary Sue to End All Mary Sue's - Reinette AKA Jeanne-Antoinette Poisson, Marquise (later Duchesse) de Pompadour, AKA Madame de Pompadour AKA The girl in the fireplace AKA Madame de Magically Delicious.
I mean Really...
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Date: 2008-05-30 11:22 pm (UTC)This show really has it for Mary Sues. *sigh*
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Date: 2008-05-30 11:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-05-31 12:33 am (UTC)Martha, Donna and the Doctor are still in character (though Martha is criminally underused).
I felt completely cheated at the end of the episode. IMHO that far outweighs the Mary Sue and groan factor.
Besides one being the Doctor's daughter and the other being the Doctor's granddaughter, no relation. Jenny isn't Susan's mother or anything like that.
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Date: 2008-05-31 02:36 am (UTC)That's good to hear about Martha, Donna, and the Doctor.
And a crap ending? :( Wonderful.
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Date: 2008-05-31 01:23 pm (UTC)To give Jenny some credit, her Dad has a lot of Mary Sue-ish qualities. Between the way she was "born" and the fact that she is a Time Lady (and daughter of the Doctor) it sorta wouldn't make sense if she didn't have some amazing powers. I just felt like if they could at least give her one flaw. *sigh*
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Date: 2008-05-31 02:32 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-05-31 07:11 am (UTC)But as seen on the show, I love her to pieces. She's fun and pretty and... *sighs happily*. Just thinking about her makes me happy. And I don't even like blondes.
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Date: 2008-06-03 11:06 pm (UTC)I don't think Mary Sue is the term here. To be honest, Mary Sue as a whole needs to go. Too many people are using it whenever they come across a character they don't like for no other reason then they don't like her or feel she threatens their favorite pairing.
You know how many people threw the label of Mary Sue at Tonks when she appeared? How many more people screamed it when she got with Remus because it meant no canon sexings with Sirius?
Actually, though, Potter fandom as a whole is a bunch of entitlement crazed idiots, so that may not be the best example.
Though, funny thing about Jenny. Georgia Moffat, the girl who played her, is the daughter of Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. Davison was David Tenant's Doctor. Mine too, actually. The Doctor is Jenny's Dad.
So when she steps out of the machine and goes "Hello, Dad", its a ton of meta, right there.